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the planet of the Masters almost surely

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this clearly may be something there

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yes you really do that's true dr. Zaius

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all right higher side chatters we've

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seen the pattern of powerful people

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belonging to various groups that utilize

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the magical arts and we've done several

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shows on various magical practices in an

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attempt to even the scales and add these

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esoteric arts to the repertoire of the

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common man but contrary to popular

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beliefs you don't need to spend here

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studying Tantra in the Himalayas or

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working through the ranks of the OTO in

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a dingy basement to learn what they

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don't want you to know in fact today's

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guest Mike's intention has been working

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on one of the most straightforward and

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practical brands of magic I've come

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across appropriately dubbed direct magic

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which he lays out on his popular website

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magic of thought calm so throw off the

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silly robes and stop brushing up on

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Latin because we're diving right into

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the belly of this beast it's always a

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fun ride looking at the hidden potential

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of our own mind and I'm psyched to get

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down to it Magic Mike my man welcome to

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the higher side hey Greg I'm really

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excited to be here and yeah that's

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exactly what I'm about is let's step

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outside of all of the robes and the

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rituals and all of the the trappings

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that traditionally go with magic and

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let's just explore what's the underlying

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phenomenon what are the moving pieces

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and how can we work with them directly

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to produce the results that we're

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looking for heck yeah I love it that's

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basically how I found you I was looking

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for a good guest they could talk about

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the science or the mechanisms behind

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magic and that really does seem to be at

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the heart of your approach you know

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because sometimes this stuff can be very

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vague and hard to pin down and that's a

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problem for people but to kick this off

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tell us a bit about direct magic and

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what separates it from other modalities

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out there so most modalities what you're

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doing is you're doing a ritual or a

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visualization or some other symbolic

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action and the point of that symbolic

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action is to engage your unconscious

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mind communicate your intent true your

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unconscious and then your unconscious is

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going to go out and do something and I

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know you've talked with folks who do

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chaos magic that's another example

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they're using belief to communicate

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their intent to their unconscious mind

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which then goes out and does something

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great we got all these methods it's

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really important to have at least one

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way of communicated here unconscious but

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after you get your intent into your

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unconscious mind what does it do what's

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that something how does it reach out and

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cause this change and by understanding

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that process how can we refine it how

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can we guide the unconscious mind

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through a better process that has more

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effective more reliable results on and

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so indirect magic we talk about what I

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call ethereal muscles these are the

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parts of the mind that are normally

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unconscious that drive energy and drive

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make those ethereal muscles conscious

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it's a similar idea as using biofeedback

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these normally unconscious parts we can

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then engage them anytime we want

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whether were you know in a place where

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we can be fully focused into a ritual or

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waiting room getting ready for a job

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interview um we don't need to do all of

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the trappings because we know how to

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engage these parts of the mind at will

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and we could also watch them as they go

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through all the steps and say great how

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is this part of my mind connecting with

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this force that I'm channeling or what

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part of the the human energy field the

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bio field am i interacting with when I

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do this healing technique and what if I

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change it in this way how does that

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affect things by developing an

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understanding of the moving parts are

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the forces the the different structures

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interacting with them and develop new

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techniques on let me give you an example

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sure well I like to make things concrete

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so a few years ago a friend came to me

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she had chronic hives she'd had hives

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prescription antihistamines she was

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getting the best Western medical care

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getting the best care available Bob

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she was still getting worse and neither

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of us really knew if I could do anything

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around knee pain and things like that

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a technique III first just started with

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kind of focusing on my intent to heal

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her I connected to the this skin that

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was inflamed which was really her whole

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um I connected to the skin I set some

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healing energy and her itching went from

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an eight out of ten down to a seven out

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of ten which I really consider a failure

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like I want a more pronounced result I

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respect that so I went back and I said

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all right great when I just focus on my

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intent what what happens is my ethereal

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muscles connect to her skin and we do

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this well the itching signals are sent

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by all these nerves that go from her

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skin up her spine into her brain what if

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those nerves and you can think of that

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contra step is visualizing there's

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actually some concrete techniques

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involved that we might get into later

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connecting to her nerves guide my mind

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through doing that and then feel the the

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energy signature of those nerves and act

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on that and when we did that her itch

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a four out of ten and I consider that a

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pretty big success mm-hmm and in doing

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that it's about guiding the mind through

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a new process that's maybe not natural

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and automatic but that winds up being

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more effective it's a similar idea to

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how Olympic athletes will watch videos

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and consciously think about how they run

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and how they move and if you've ever

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tried to do this you know that you're

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clumsy at first that thinking about how

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you run makes you run much worse but the

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athletes were dedicated to this who put

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in the time to learn to do it eventually

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it becomes a smooth thing eventually

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they can train their body to move in a

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new more efficient way that then through

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practice becomes natural and unconscious

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magic is becoming conscious of how the

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mind responds to our intent to heal or

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create luck or whatever we're doing

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become conscious of that guide it

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through a new process even if that's

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gonna be clumsy at first and then

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through practice and experience make

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that new more effective process natural

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mind responds to intent so that's what

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direct magic is about mmm well said then

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there are underlying mechanisms that

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make this stuff possible it must be

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doable without the rituals without the

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candles and without the robes I mean to

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some degree I know that's about getting

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into a mindset but I guess if you can

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get yourself into a mindset without the

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theatrics I mean that's just as good

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that's basically uh not to you know

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overuse the term but that's a more

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direct path to magic that that's where

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the name comes from in fact right on so

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how did you come to develop this over

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the years I mean how did magic go from

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what probably started as an abstract

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interest which I think is where a lot of

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the listeners might be to an actual

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reliable useful set of skills that you

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can call on talk to us a little bit

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about your path and developing magic so

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absolutely an indirect path and I'm not

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going to recommend that your listeners

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follow it but I would love to share that

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sure so when I was 11 this was in 1991

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one of my friends who honestly read a

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lot of fantasy novels in which he lived

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in one started talking about magic and

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energy and things like that and we were

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at an age where the line between things

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you actually believe and things you play

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with and things you pretend to believe

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at 11:00 those are all kind of the same

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thing and so we started playing around

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with this what we didn't realize though

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was that his books would draw from

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actual occultism like the golden dawn

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and cast magic would draw from energy

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healing like Reiki and therapeutic touch

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this was the 90s so there was already

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peer-reviewed research in energy healing

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going around we had no idea at 11 but

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by a National Institute of Health so it

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of the things that we were trying out we

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legitimate ways of approaching this and

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some of it was just fantasy novel stuff

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experiences and some of them would work

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really well I would connect to trees and

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feel the energy um and at the time I

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absorbing the energy and letting that

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influence your mind and a lot of the

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similar way to how a drug might

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influence one's mind and then

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energy from the tree and the same way

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that taking a trip on a drug is

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experiencing your own mind influenced by

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that drug um and I would connect with

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spirits and some of them were probably

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real spirits and some of them were

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probably aspects of my own mind and I

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would build energy in my body and see

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how that influenced physical stamina and

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healing and just created sensations and

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through all these experiences I really

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wanted to know what was happening what

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was going on under the hood my family

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were scientists and atheists and so I I

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wasn't able to share any of this with

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them but I was raised with this real

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love of science and when I say that a

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love of standard scientific results and

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there is some of that but really science

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is about understanding the moving parts

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of a phenomenon when a scientist

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encounters you know a rainbow this is a

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classic example from Newton and Yates

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says what caused that and he has I just

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want to know the answer is refraction

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right I can tell your refraction and if

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you don't already know what that means

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I haven't actually told you anything

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giving you a password yeah what the

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scientist wants to say is well water

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droplets are really their little spheres

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and they behave like a prism and when

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sunlight hits this

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fear and it reflects the different

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wavelengths reflect off the curved

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surface at slightly different angles and

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if you're standing at the right spot to

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see that sunlight reflected off of the

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water droplet that creates a rainbow and

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to me that is just as beautiful as the

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actual set of colors in front of my eyes

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and that's where I brought to all of

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these phenomena and all of these

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experiences that were happening to me

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that I didn't understand and that really

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nobody still nobody fully understands on

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and I said well all of these different

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ways of approaching this whether it's a

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ritual or a visualization or channeling

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or lighting a candle or whatever they're

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all one the results they get out are

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much more complicated than whatever the

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person's putting in right I could do a

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ritual and speak a hundred words of

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Latin but those hundred words are not

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enough to program a computer in how to

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understand the type of situation I'm

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looking to create and certainly not

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enough to explain to a computer how to

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bring about the type of situation I'm

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looking to create there's additional

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complexity in magic that isn't coming

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from the ritual and isn't coming from

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the visual and isn't coming from my mind

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because I'm not aware of how this thing

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is going to manifest I'm not constantly

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thinking about it I'm thinking about it

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for five minutes now and then it's often

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running well what's often running where

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is this thing running um and if all of

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these different systems the

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have different explanations different

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theories are all producing similar

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results well they're probably all acting

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by the same mechanism

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whenever out in the world we see a bunch

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of things that have different

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explanations and those explanations are

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accurate they produce different results

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when we see a bunch of a bunch of

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phenomena that all do the same thing

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they usually have the same mechanism so

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what is that mechanism and I started

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thinking about what I now call ethereal

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software right these forces that respond

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to a person's intent that provide

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healing energy or create luck or do

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whatever else the person's trying to do

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with magic or healing and that was kind

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of the the first breakthrough of really

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getting one piece of the puzzle and has

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happened in my late teens early 20s and

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then I started looking at what happens

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in the mind that what am i engaging when

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I'm engaging by magical facilities and

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through a set of techniques called

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sensory connections let me just explain

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this to you really quick so healers and

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magic workers and all these folks will

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often talk about sending energy and

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they'll talk about sending energy a

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longer connection so these connections

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think of them as like wires or pipes

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that carry energy

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well if instead of making a connection

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and sending energy we make a connection

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and just leave it quiet and let it

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absorb a tiny amount of the energy of

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whatever it's connected to in the same

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way that a thermometer absorbs a tiny

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amount of heat to measure temperature we

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can get a reading on the energy

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signature of whatever it's connected to

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and if we then make a whole network just

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a whole bunch of these sensory

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connections all throughout a structure

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working at a picture of what's going on

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there what parts are active what parts

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are inactive what state is all of this

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stuff in and that's what I brought to

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exploring my own mind and I would make a

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connection out and I make another

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connection to that first connection and

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follow it back into my mind and say what

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part of my mind is making this

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connection and that's how I found

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ethereal muscles and I spent much of my

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20s

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looking at those ethereal muscles

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looking at how they're powered looking

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at where they draw their power from I

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call it my core and my power source more

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religious listeners might call it their

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soul but actually tracing the pathways

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using these sensory connections and

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figuring out how to open up more power

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I'd open up power to dormant ethereal

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muscles and awaken them so that I could

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start using them for whatever they were

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best at in the same way that physical

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muscles you know I have an arm muscle

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that's used for contracting my arm I

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have an arm muscle that's used for

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extending my arm and I have other

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muscles that are used for moving my legs

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and balancing while I stand on all these

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different special purposes ethereal

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muscles have special purposes some are

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used for communicating with spirits and

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ethereal software others are used for

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working with energy in the body and so

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by awakening more of them it opened up a

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lot of new facilities that I was able to

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explore and so those are some of the

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foundational techniques of direct magick

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sensory connections awaking ethereal

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must

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and communicating with spirits and

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ethereal software right on man so for

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someone who might be wanting to begin

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flexing these ethereal muscles what are

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some of the first things they can look

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at doing - just to recognize that

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they're even there that's a great

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question so I wrestled with this for a

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long time when I first started blogging

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in 2010 I wrote some posts about energy

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meditations because that's just like the

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default way that most people learn or

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teach how to start engaging these things

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how to start working with energy and we

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ran into a problem there was a set of

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readers that already had some facility

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with energy and ethereal muscles that

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this worked great for and then there

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were other readers whose ethereal

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muscles were completely dormant they

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weren't able to engage them at all and

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so I could give them all the

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visualizations I wanted and it wouldn't

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do anything because there are the--

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riyals weren't listening in the first

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place hmm so a couple of years ago when

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I started writing this book and the book

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by the way it's the draft in progress is

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available for free on my website it's

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free because I want to get these ideas

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out there you'll see a banner along the

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top that says start here just click it

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you'll get the book um when I started

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writing that book what I said was hey I

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have all of this all these tools in

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ethereal software and I work with all

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these spirits who make ethereal software

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let me talk to them

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let me have them make me a special

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purpose

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ethereal software designed for beginners

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let's put a command in there that is

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really easy to use that will let a

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beginner connect to the ethereal

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software and ask it to help them start

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awakening their ethereal muscles and

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when the novice does this they look at a

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sigil that that's like a symbol that I

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have bound the ethereal software to have

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a story about that in a minute ah they

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look at the sigil and the software

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connects to them it connects to their

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mind and it starts reading their intent

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and then I give them a command to first

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just test it out and make sure that it's

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working

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and then to ask it to start awakening

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their ethereal muscles and it will start

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sending energy to those parts of their

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mind and help them start coming online

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and then after they've done that I give

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them an energy meditation so they can

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start using those newly awakened

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ethereal muscles and exercising them and

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strengthening them as they work with

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energy in their body after that it's a

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set of exercises to connect to that

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ethereal software better and to ask it

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to make lasting connections to your mind

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so that it can really read your intent a

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lot more clearly by the way that that's

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an incredibly common phenomenon most

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psychics they have this ethereal

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software that that's connected to their

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mind and is always listening on I've

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worked with a number of psychics and

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helped one change from one software to

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another she was getting intuitions about

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who would call on the phone and which

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path to take with driving to avoid

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traffic and where to find parking and

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and useful things but kind of trivial

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things and she was a nurse and wanted to

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start getting medical intuitions you

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know which of my six patients is going

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to crash is going to need emergency care

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to stay alive on my shift

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which of these dozen studies or dozen

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are lab results is the most useful for

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figuring out the right care to give this

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patient and she wasn't getting that

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those intuitions and she really wanted

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them so we actually I talked with the

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spirits I work with I asked them for

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what ethereal software would you

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recommend for this and we switched her

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over and it took a few months for that

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new ethereal software to network fully

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with her brain but once it did she

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started getting all of these really

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useful intuitions and knowing which of

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her patients was going to crash and

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having no idea where it came from in a

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mundane way she didn't like see that

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that patient looked extra sickly she

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just knew through the ethereal software

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what was going to happen I might up

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being really useful to her and then I

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used similar techniques to activate

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psych intuitions for myself so what I

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want to communicate with that is when I

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talk about hey this is how it works a

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lot of people I get the feeling when

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they say this is how it works they have

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some

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tuition they think that's a great story

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or it just makes sense to them and I

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love that I love hearing people's

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explanations for how a thing works but

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what I want to communicate is that I

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then take the next step of trying to use

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that model to solve a problem and to

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solve a problem in a way that would

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never have occurred to me if I didn't

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have that model if I didn't have an idea

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of ethereal software and of different

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ethereal software's having different

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capabilities it never would have

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occurred to me to switch my friend from

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one software to another and so the model

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gave me a useful what scientist would

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call a prediction that turned out to be

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accurate and that's why I have

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confidence in what I'm doing and where

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I'm saying about how this all works hmm

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yeah man I mean you make it sound good

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so ethereal software obviously that's a

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new term to a lot of people that would

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be the mechanism that the spirits use to

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help us with our requests in a sense

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that's a great way to put it yeah so

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it's a new term but it's actually an old

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concept ah Chaos magic talks about

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egregores and servitors right these are

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these external forces that mages channel

549
00:22:26,169 --> 00:22:23,289
and ask for help

550
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:26,179
Reiki practitioners talk about

551
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,120
channeling energy from the universe and

552
00:22:33,010 --> 00:22:31,760
if you talk to them they clearly

553
00:22:34,750 --> 00:22:33,020
understand that they're not channeling

554
00:22:37,810 --> 00:22:34,760
energy from Jupiter or Alpha Centauri

555
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:37,820
they're channeling energy from something

556
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:39,530
that's all around us

557
00:22:44,890 --> 00:22:42,770
that some force that they don't fully

558
00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:44,900
understand and they've chosen to call

559
00:22:49,779 --> 00:22:47,990
that force the universe if you talk to

560
00:22:51,940 --> 00:22:49,789
psychics though they'll say a similar

561
00:22:54,399 --> 00:22:51,950
thing about receiving information from a

562
00:22:57,730 --> 00:22:54,409
universal field and what was happening

563
00:23:00,610 --> 00:22:57,740
and what I saw happening is with all of

564
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,620
these grand terms right this this is an

565
00:23:05,470 --> 00:23:03,200
egregore it is the the sum of all of the

566
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:05,480
intents of every human in the world or

567
00:23:10,810 --> 00:23:08,450
I'm channeling an energy from the

568
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:10,820
universe if we want to then talk about

569
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:12,650
well how does that thing we're operate

570
00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:15,530
what algorithm does it use how can we

571
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,440
reprogram it to work better

572
00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:20,000
if I ask how can we reprogram the

573
00:23:24,370 --> 00:23:22,310
universe to work better that's a crazy

574
00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:24,380
idea that's just

575
00:23:29,770 --> 00:23:27,140
I would reflexively flinch away from

576
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,780
even asking that but if we choose to

577
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:32,480
call it ethereal software and we then

578
00:23:37,090 --> 00:23:34,970
ask how can we reprogram this ethereal

579
00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:37,100
software to work better how can we add a

580
00:23:42,610 --> 00:23:39,260
new capability to this ethereal software

581
00:23:43,210 --> 00:23:42,620
to do healing energy for this new

582
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,220
condition

583
00:23:47,410 --> 00:23:45,440
well that just sounds like a software

584
00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:47,420
upgrade that's a really natural question

585
00:23:51,820 --> 00:23:49,480
and I actually picked the name

586
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:51,830
consciously I used to call them systems

587
00:23:55,450 --> 00:23:53,810
like computer system and it was really

588
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:55,460
confusing for my readers because there

589
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:57,170
are also these different systems of

590
00:24:00,910 --> 00:23:58,880
magic right like chaos magic is a sister

591
00:24:02,020 --> 00:24:00,920
of magic and Golden Dawn is a sister of

592
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:02,030
magic and so when I talk about

593
00:24:06,850 --> 00:24:04,730
channeling systems it's a word that

594
00:24:08,050 --> 00:24:06,860
already has a lot of meanings and my

595
00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:08,060
readers were finding it confusing and

596
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:09,500
actually have a series of posts where I

597
00:24:14,890 --> 00:24:12,290
said hey guys help me come up with a

598
00:24:18,130 --> 00:24:14,900
good metaphor and we wound up at

599
00:24:19,690 --> 00:24:18,140
ethereal software so this meaning that

600
00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:19,700
what would I just explained to you was

601
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:22,220
actually very consciously chosen right

602
00:24:28,140 --> 00:24:25,490
nice so right servitors we typically

603
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:28,150
would think of them as conscious

604
00:24:32,290 --> 00:24:30,710
temporary entities or something to that

605
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,300
degree but your term implies you think

606
00:24:38,050 --> 00:24:34,880
of these mechanisms closer to scripts of

607
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:38,060
code rather than a conscious slave beam

608
00:24:45,310 --> 00:24:40,850
type of thing the way I think about it

609
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:45,320
is consciousness has to run on something

610
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:46,490
right mm-hmm

611
00:24:52,510 --> 00:24:49,520
my consciousness runs on my neurons I

612
00:24:54,940 --> 00:24:52,520
can imagine a computer that's conscious

613
00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:54,950
and its consciousness would run on its

614
00:25:00,720 --> 00:24:58,730
transistors okay and the consciousness

615
00:25:05,050 --> 00:25:00,730
and the intent and all of the the

616
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,060
details of how that servitor behaves it

617
00:25:10,180 --> 00:25:08,000
has to run somewhere and I want to

618
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:10,190
mention it's easy as a human to kind of

619
00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:13,610
imagine a mind that's free-floating

620
00:25:20,410 --> 00:25:16,670
out in the world and that's because when

621
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:20,420
we humans interact with other humans

622
00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:22,880
it's really important to simulate their

623
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:25,310
mind so we have a lot of special-purpose

624
00:25:31,420 --> 00:25:28,910
circuitry in our mind for simulating

625
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:31,430
other minds and you can see this in a

626
00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:32,240
lot of the worlds

627
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:34,430
that's why it's so easy to imagine a

628
00:25:38,410 --> 00:25:37,370
rock or a tree having consciousness

629
00:25:42,130 --> 00:25:38,420
mm-hmm

630
00:25:45,250 --> 00:25:42,140
when we dig down into what actually

631
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:45,260
happens what I find is that that

632
00:25:51,310 --> 00:25:48,730
consciousness needs something to run on

633
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:51,320
when I connect to spirit so I work with

634
00:25:56,140 --> 00:25:54,080
spirits I will sometimes connect to

635
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:56,150
their mind using these sensory

636
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,410
connections that I talked about with the

637
00:26:01,390 --> 00:25:59,840
the healing example earlier and see what

638
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:01,400
the structures are that are involved and

639
00:26:05,740 --> 00:26:03,410
it's a lot of really dense structures

640
00:26:10,450 --> 00:26:05,750
that look a lot like my ethereal muscles

641
00:26:13,660 --> 00:26:10,460
and when I send out my intent it's

642
00:26:16,210 --> 00:26:13,670
tempting to use that human facility to

643
00:26:19,210 --> 00:26:16,220
simulate human minds to just imagine

644
00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:19,220
intent as a free-floating unitary object

645
00:26:23,050 --> 00:26:20,630
that can kind of go out into the world

646
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:23,060
and reach out its feelers and you know

647
00:26:28,150 --> 00:26:25,370
reach over with its noodly appendage to

648
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:28,160
to cause a change but if we really think

649
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:30,410
about the complexity of what's happening

650
00:26:38,050 --> 00:26:35,840
and really grasp that that thought is my

651
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:38,060
nerves firing in my brain or some

652
00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:41,210
similar physical phenomenon we say wow

653
00:26:47,230 --> 00:26:44,150
what actually has to happen under the

654
00:26:49,270 --> 00:26:47,240
hood to send out my thought where does

655
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:49,280
that program where does that intent have

656
00:26:54,430 --> 00:26:52,310
to run hmm my answer to that is ethereal

657
00:26:57,730 --> 00:26:54,440
software so what I would say is the de

658
00:27:00,480 --> 00:26:57,740
servitor sounds like a program that

659
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:00,490
somebody has created an ongoing request

660
00:27:05,770 --> 00:27:03,440
that is running in so a serial software

661
00:27:10,090 --> 00:27:05,780
that they have access to hmm and an

662
00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:10,100
egregore is the much larger and more

663
00:27:16,150 --> 00:27:12,260
full-bodied and able to accept these

664
00:27:19,390 --> 00:27:16,160
requests so an egregore maps to ethereal

665
00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:19,400
software right on that makes a lot of

666
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:21,220
sense I think that's a pretty practical

667
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:23,810
way of explaining some things that

668
00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:28,250
seemed very mysterious and uh kind of

669
00:27:33,460 --> 00:27:30,440
creepy to some degree but you know

670
00:27:35,380 --> 00:27:33,470
entities they really are of interest to

671
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,390
me and most magical guests I've had have

672
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:37,760
emphasized how important it is to study

673
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,890
these particular beings and call on the

674
00:27:43,930 --> 00:27:41,840
right ones for the right purposes but I

675
00:27:46,169 --> 00:27:43,940
don't see that as much in your writing

676
00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:46,179
I guess you see that as less important

677
00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:48,070
because you can kind of program your own

678
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,190
ethereal software as opposed to going to

679
00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:53,440
an entity who specializes in a

680
00:27:57,509 --> 00:27:55,929
particular area you know that's a really

681
00:27:59,850 --> 00:27:57,519
interesting question this is something

682
00:28:03,019 --> 00:27:59,860
that I've been wrestling with in how do

683
00:28:05,999 --> 00:28:03,029
I teach this a lot of my own work

684
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:06,009
actually involves working with spirits

685
00:28:12,989 --> 00:28:09,490
or entities and the reason why I haven't

686
00:28:15,239 --> 00:28:12,999
shared them as much is I don't

687
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:15,249
assignment to a particular Pantheon I

688
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:19,090
don't say let's work with Zeus or let's

689
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:21,970
work with this fire elemental or let's

690
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:25,090
work with this named spirit hmm the way

691
00:28:30,299 --> 00:28:27,730
this happened for me is I was doing my

692
00:28:33,690 --> 00:28:30,309
own work and I was tracing some

693
00:28:36,810 --> 00:28:33,700
connections in my mind looking at how my

694
00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:36,820
mind was powered and I found some

695
00:28:39,570 --> 00:28:38,169
spirits on the other end of those

696
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:39,580
connections and I started talking with

697
00:28:44,749 --> 00:28:41,129
them I started working with them and

698
00:28:46,889 --> 00:28:44,759
they would teach me some techniques and

699
00:28:48,989 --> 00:28:46,899
then as I started learning more

700
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:48,999
techniques I had some other spirits come

701
00:28:52,109 --> 00:28:50,710
and connect to me and want to see what I

702
00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:52,119
was doing because they thought that that

703
00:28:54,239 --> 00:28:53,590
looked really neat and they wanted to

704
00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:54,249
learn it too

705
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:56,230
and so I started working with them and I

706
00:29:00,299 --> 00:28:57,490
would show them what I knew and they

707
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:00,309
would show me what they knew and through

708
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:02,769
just kind of networking with a lot of

709
00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:05,590
different spirits I wound up with a

710
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:08,740
group that I work with almost daily and

711
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:11,080
whenever I want to learn a new technique

712
00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:13,809
I'll call them up and I'll ask them how

713
00:29:18,239 --> 00:29:16,899
to do this thing and sometimes they know

714
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,249
and they just show me and sometimes they

715
00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:21,360
don't and we work together to develop it

716
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,260
the thing is

717
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,720
it's hard for me to say hey it's really

718
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:28,640
important to work with the right spirit

719
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:30,890
because I have this group that I work

720
00:29:35,470 --> 00:29:33,770
with it's similar to how if you worked

721
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:35,480
at a company you'd say you know what's

722
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:37,970
really important to collaborate with a

723
00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:40,490
great marketing person and a great

724
00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:42,200
business development person and a great

725
00:29:48,150 --> 00:29:45,260
sales person but you wouldn't say

726
00:29:51,460 --> 00:29:48,160
and so you should channel the spirit of

727
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:51,470
this famous marketing person right you'd

728
00:29:56,919 --> 00:29:54,530
say you should you know put out an ad on

729
00:30:02,409 --> 00:29:56,929
on monster.com you should hire someone

730
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:02,419
and we're I'm winding up is the ethereal

731
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:04,370
software that I'm distributing with my

732
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:06,730
book that that's tied to that sigil

733
00:30:11,289 --> 00:30:09,650
that's made by these spirits that I work

734
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:11,299
with and so one of the things that we're

735
00:30:17,169 --> 00:30:15,049
programming in is a facility to ask that

736
00:30:18,990 --> 00:30:17,179
software for advice and if it has the

737
00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:19,000
intelligence in itself it will present

738
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:22,460
essentially a vision of an avatar a

739
00:30:27,460 --> 00:30:25,250
vision of an angel or a spirit or

740
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:27,470
whatever you can talk with and if it

741
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:29,090
doesn't know enough to answer that

742
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,250
question it will connect you to one of

743
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:34,000
the actual spirits that I work with and

744
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,410
they'll be able to help you out and the

745
00:30:40,750 --> 00:30:38,480
intent there is that as people learn

746
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:40,760
more and start asking more advanced and

747
00:30:45,549 --> 00:30:42,650
more intricate questions they slowly

748
00:30:49,409 --> 00:30:45,559
transition from essentially reading the

749
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:49,419
the help files in the software to

750
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:51,710
actually talking with the spirits and

751
00:30:56,010 --> 00:30:53,510
getting that training so one thing on my

752
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,020
mind is definitely how do we get people

753
00:31:00,400 --> 00:30:59,120
the right kind of guidance from spirits

754
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:00,410
because I've benefitted that from this

755
00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:02,690
so tremendously ah but I think it's a

756
00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:04,940
different approach than most people take

757
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:07,960
and I'm still working out the details

758
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:10,910
right on yes spirit contact it seems to

759
00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:12,530
be just one of those things the

760
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,360
floodgates are either wide open or

761
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:16,640
nobody's home and communicating with

762
00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:19,730
entities it's probably the most abstract

763
00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:21,500
and provocative idea for a lot of

764
00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:23,059
listeners and it's something I've been

765
00:31:26,830 --> 00:31:24,950
able to do on psychedelics a time or two

766
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:26,840
but I'd love the validation that it can

767
00:31:31,330 --> 00:31:29,210
be done reliably with the sober mind and

768
00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:31,340
you know long forming relationships can

769
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:33,590
happen but how can we strengthen our

770
00:31:37,030 --> 00:31:35,690
ability to make contact how do we go

771
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:37,040
about it

772
00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:38,930
so there's actually a whole series of

773
00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:40,700
techniques that I've learned and that

774
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:43,100
I'm gonna be writing about the first

775
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:46,130
step is simply learning to quiet one's

776
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:48,770
mind right think of the spirit is kind

777
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:51,710
of whispering into your mind and if you

778
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:54,110
have a lot of thoughts going on it's

779
00:31:56,890 --> 00:31:55,730
gonna be hard to hear those whispers

780
00:31:59,650 --> 00:31:56,900
okay

781
00:32:01,720 --> 00:31:59,660
and that's a good first attempt and

782
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:01,730
that's actually where I started but then

783
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:04,130
after that we take these sensory

784
00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:05,810
connections which is another set of

785
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:09,080
techniques that I teach and we use that

786
00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:13,010
to feel in our mind where is the spirit

787
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:14,180
connecting and stewards will generally

788
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:16,130
connect to the same place over and over

789
00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:20,090
and we learn to engage that part of the

790
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:22,360
mind though that set of ethereal muscles

791
00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:24,620
when we're talking with the spirit and

792
00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:26,470
it's like I think of it as almost

793
00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:29,630
thinking with that part of the mind I

794
00:32:34,750 --> 00:32:32,060
don't know if this is a metaphor that

795
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:34,760
will translate if you a person hasn't

796
00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:38,240
done it but it's like engaging a part of

797
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:41,150
the mind and then thinking my idea and

798
00:32:47,710 --> 00:32:43,310
by keeping that part engaged it's like

799
00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:47,720
the thoughts echo in that part and the

800
00:32:52,750 --> 00:32:49,070
mechanism for it's actually happening

801
00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:52,760
under the hood is as a person thinks as

802
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:55,400
thoughts and words and concepts pass

803
00:32:59,560 --> 00:32:57,170
through the brain there's all of this

804
00:33:03,130 --> 00:32:59,570
activity in the brain and if we put a

805
00:33:04,540 --> 00:33:03,140
person in an fMRI and look at how their

806
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:04,550
brain is firing we find out that there's

807
00:33:09,790 --> 00:33:07,250
actually a lot of similarities from one

808
00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:09,800
brain to the next so it's not like you

809
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:11,390
have one pattern and I have some

810
00:33:14,890 --> 00:33:13,250
completely different pattern when we

811
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:14,900
think about a concept like spirits or

812
00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:17,570
justice or success or whatever we

813
00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:19,190
actually have very similar patterns and

814
00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:22,220
it turns out that we also have very

815
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,280
similar energy patterns the signature

816
00:33:30,670 --> 00:33:27,200
the energy signature that our brains

817
00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:30,680
enter when we think these concepts seems

818
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,020
to be pretty similar and so when I

819
00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:35,360
communicate with a spirit what I'm doing

820
00:33:40,570 --> 00:33:38,660
is taking all the energy signatures that

821
00:33:43,540 --> 00:33:40,580
my brain enters as I think that message

822
00:33:45,850 --> 00:33:43,550
I gather them up i package them up and i

823
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:45,860
send them in a similar way to how you

824
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:49,130
might send healing energy and the spirit

825
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:51,170
then unpackage 'as them and puts

826
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:53,090
puts it in there whatever the equivalent

827
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:56,330
of their brain is and here's my thoughts

828
00:34:01,570 --> 00:33:58,970
echoed in their mind as their mind

829
00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:01,580
enters the same energy signatures that

830
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:03,380
my mind was in when I thought that

831
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:06,050
message and then they package up their

832
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:07,490
message in a similar way and send it to

833
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,510
me and I unpackage it and one concept at

834
00:34:15,940 --> 00:34:13,760
a time place that concept into my brain

835
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:15,950
and let my brain enter that energy

836
00:34:22,659 --> 00:34:19,280
signature and feel what that concept is

837
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:22,669
and as you might imagine at first this

838
00:34:28,630 --> 00:34:25,850
was really really slow and really really

839
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:28,640
hard but after doing it for a few years

840
00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:31,730
it's kind of like having a conversation

841
00:34:37,899 --> 00:34:36,470
it's roughly as fast as talking on one

842
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:37,909
of the really interesting things is

843
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:39,770
occasionally the spirit will use a

844
00:34:44,020 --> 00:34:41,570
concept that I'm not familiar with and

845
00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:44,030
when that happens it's like my brain

846
00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:47,030
stops my brain like can't get into that

847
00:34:52,810 --> 00:34:50,260
state and I have to say hold on hold on

848
00:34:55,570 --> 00:34:52,820
break that down into smaller concepts

849
00:34:57,850 --> 00:34:55,580
break that down into you know bits that

850
00:34:59,830 --> 00:34:57,860
I'm familiar with and then they do and

851
00:35:02,170 --> 00:34:59,840
then I get the concept and then once I

852
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:02,180
have that concept in my mind if they

853
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:05,780
then use the the large concept again the

854
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:09,050
one that I wasn't able to handle if they

855
00:35:13,930 --> 00:35:10,730
then use it again a few minutes later I

856
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:13,940
can hear it and I recognize it as that

857
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:16,300
thing they just explained Kenny huh so

858
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:18,890
when we're talking with spirits there's

859
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,330
actually a whole set of techniques in

860
00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:21,680
the set of techniques is also useful for

861
00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:24,020
talking with ethereal software it takes

862
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:26,300
months for a serial software to connect

863
00:35:29,590 --> 00:35:28,250
to a person's brain and if you only want

864
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:29,600
to use one if you just want to turn on

865
00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:32,510
psychic intuitions then awesome do that

866
00:35:38,650 --> 00:35:36,470
the W well spent few months but I don't

867
00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:38,660
want to use just one software I want to

868
00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:40,700
use a dozen or more

869
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:43,820
I actually just last week switched from

870
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:46,160
one ethereal software for second

871
00:35:50,740 --> 00:35:48,050
intuitions to another that seems to be

872
00:35:53,740 --> 00:35:50,750
better for some human events around

873
00:35:56,110 --> 00:35:53,750
business and I was able to do that in

874
00:35:58,900 --> 00:35:56,120
about a day because I have all these

875
00:36:00,820 --> 00:35:58,910
other techniques with how to do the

876
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:00,830
communication so it's a combination of

877
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:03,410
making it faster make it more reliable

878
00:36:08,570 --> 00:36:05,700
and also making it more

879
00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:08,580
what I found happened as I was first

880
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:10,230
learning these techniques as I was first

881
00:36:15,350 --> 00:36:12,780
learning to package up my thoughts and

882
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,360
then unpackage the spirits message I

883
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:17,880
would have a spirit send me a message

884
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:20,490
the old way the way where it's just kind

885
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:22,200
of dropping the signatures into my brain

886
00:36:27,790 --> 00:36:24,780
and then the new way or it was sending

887
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:27,800
me this package and I would read and I

888
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:30,060
thought that what was going to happen

889
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:31,410
was the old way was gonna be really

890
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:35,430
accurate and the new way was going to be

891
00:36:39,770 --> 00:36:37,170
inaccurate and eventually through

892
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:39,780
practice become as accurate as the old

893
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:41,490
way and just be a little easier for the

894
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:43,290
spirit to work with and let me talk with

895
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:45,090
more spirits who maybe didn't know as

896
00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:47,070
much about talking with humans but what

897
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:49,380
actually happened is I found that the

898
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:52,170
old way where I was kind of having the

899
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:53,850
thoughts dropped into my brain and then

900
00:37:00,410 --> 00:36:57,450
feeling into them I would get one or two

901
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:00,420
words of each sentence along with an

902
00:37:05,570 --> 00:37:03,810
emotional feel of like hopeful or sad or

903
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:05,580
whatever and then my unconscious mind

904
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:08,850
would fill in the gaps in the same way

905
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:11,910
that if I told you you know new job

906
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,700
along with a feeling of hope you could

907
00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:16,320
probably and we're talking about your

908
00:37:21,110 --> 00:37:18,630
career you could probably fill in the

909
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:21,120
gaps of what my sentence was more or

910
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:23,310
less that's what my unconscious mind was

911
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:26,610
doing and as I learned to package and

912
00:37:31,580 --> 00:37:28,650
unpackage these messages I started

913
00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:31,590
getting more and more words and more and

914
00:37:36,620 --> 00:37:34,500
more accuracy and what I was sending and

915
00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:36,630
receiving and that was actually a really

916
00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:38,790
great surprising result I love getting

917
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:41,190
surprising results because I always have

918
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:42,660
this fear in the back of my mind that

919
00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:45,990
what if all of this is just placebo it's

920
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:48,540
just my expectations yeah manifesting in

921
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:51,450
front of me and at least once a month I

922
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:54,690
get some result that I completely did

923
00:38:00,850 --> 00:37:57,240
not expect I actually feel the surprise

924
00:38:04,010 --> 00:38:00,860
in my body and in my chest and I say wow

925
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:04,020
okay I'm getting the opposite of what I

926
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:04,740
expected

927
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:08,850
you know yeah I want more concrete

928
00:38:11,660 --> 00:38:10,500
testing eventually and I'd love to tell

929
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:11,670
you about healing lab where I'm doing

930
00:38:17,810 --> 00:38:15,900
that but it's a great just a personal

931
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,820
confirmation that I'm really were

932
00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:19,920
with something so yeah that's how I do

933
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:21,990
communication is I package up the

934
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:23,910
message and I send it to the spirit and

935
00:38:29,090 --> 00:38:25,710
I receive their message and I unpackage

936
00:38:31,220 --> 00:38:29,100
it and that's a series of exercises that

937
00:38:33,350 --> 00:38:31,230
I'm gonna be digging into in the book as

938
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:33,360
I return to it later this year all right

939
00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:36,060
man yeah that is so interesting I mean

940
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,820
so many people probably have a hard time

941
00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:40,560
thinking these things are even possible

942
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:43,260
to go a little bit further with this in

943
00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:45,660
the more advanced stages can you

944
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:48,660
elaborate on how a relationship with a

945
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:50,850
reoccurring entity evolves and develops

946
00:38:58,220 --> 00:38:55,530
over months or years even sure so

947
00:39:01,220 --> 00:38:58,230
there's one group of spirits that I've

948
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:01,230
been working with for four or five years

949
00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:05,130
probably and at first I would just

950
00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:08,070
contact whatever spirit happened to be

951
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:10,680
available I'd contacts of ethereal

952
00:39:14,660 --> 00:39:12,450
software and say hey I want to know

953
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:14,670
about sensory connections or I want to

954
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,960
know about shielding or I want to know

955
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:18,240
about manifesting connect me to someone

956
00:39:21,830 --> 00:39:20,130
who can talk about that and I would get

957
00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:21,840
whatever random spirit happened to be

958
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:24,030
around and it was great they all really

959
00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:26,040
knew what they were talking about and it

960
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:27,270
would be like if you know you went to

961
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:29,970
office hours for a professor and you got

962
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:31,770
whatever TA happened to be available

963
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:33,180
right and they're gonna answer your

964
00:39:38,330 --> 00:39:34,890
question and it's gonna be super helpful

965
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:38,340
but over time I started working more and

966
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:40,410
more with this one spirit who

967
00:39:48,290 --> 00:39:44,730
specializes in communication and in part

968
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,300
that was because most spirits have at

969
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:50,400
least most spirits I work with are kind

970
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:52,740
of androgynous but this one has a really

971
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:56,400
feminine energy and at the time I was

972
00:40:02,540 --> 00:39:59,130
getting involved in erotic energy and I

973
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:02,550
started doing that with her and it felt

974
00:40:07,580 --> 00:40:04,320
really good and so I would regularly

975
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:07,590
connect to her to explore that

976
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:11,160
hey now and if you think about how human

977
00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:13,800
relationships form a lot of times that's

978
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:15,990
what they form around right yeah that's

979
00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:18,420
true and so I started calling her a lot

980
00:40:24,350 --> 00:40:21,960
for that and then I would ask for advice

981
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:24,360
about things I'd say hey I'm trying to

982
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:25,680
figure out this thing with manifesting

983
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,570
what do you think right instead of

984
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,040
calling and asking for whatever

985
00:40:31,549 --> 00:40:30,480
manifesting expert happened to be

986
00:40:33,319 --> 00:40:31,559
available

987
00:40:35,749 --> 00:40:33,329
I'd ask her and sometimes she'd have an

988
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:35,759
answer and sometimes she'd say oh I know

989
00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:39,180
a spirit who is an expert at that let me

990
00:40:44,179 --> 00:40:41,670
connect you guys and then sometimes I'd

991
00:40:45,529 --> 00:40:44,189
be talking with that spirit and maybe he

992
00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:45,539
wasn't as experienced working with

993
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,390
humans and so he wasn't as good at

994
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:50,640
communicating with me or maybe I was

995
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:52,410
just getting exhausted because I was

996
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:54,420
doing a you know half hour to an hour

997
00:41:00,679 --> 00:40:57,119
session instead of a 15-minute session

998
00:41:03,499 --> 00:41:00,689
and I would say hey can you to the

999
00:41:06,859 --> 00:41:03,509
spirit that I knew that I now call Laura

1000
00:41:08,689 --> 00:41:06,869
can you handle this communication for me

1001
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:08,699
can you have him communicate with you

1002
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:13,170
and then you make it really easy for me

1003
00:41:18,699 --> 00:41:15,930
to read the message by doing more of the

1004
00:41:21,380 --> 00:41:18,709
the work of dropping it into my mind and

1005
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:21,390
this became part of a pattern where I

1006
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:23,849
would just call her up and say hey this

1007
00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:25,529
is what I want to learn about would you

1008
00:41:30,289 --> 00:41:27,630
be up for helping me figure out how to

1009
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:30,299
go about it and helping manage the

1010
00:41:35,509 --> 00:41:33,209
communication with the other spirits if

1011
00:41:37,309 --> 00:41:35,519
we have a team of like five guys who are

1012
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:37,319
all collaborating on a project that's

1013
00:41:42,499 --> 00:41:40,140
really more than I can handle for

1014
00:41:44,029 --> 00:41:42,509
communication but it's no big deal for

1015
00:41:47,929 --> 00:41:44,039
her because that's what she specializes

1016
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,939
it and she I've asked her hey what do

1017
00:41:52,849 --> 00:41:50,160
you get out of this what are what do you

1018
00:41:55,099 --> 00:41:52,859
benefit from and so the things she tells

1019
00:41:57,019 --> 00:41:55,109
me are I ask really interesting

1020
00:41:59,380 --> 00:41:57,029
questions and if you go to any scientist

1021
00:42:02,359 --> 00:41:59,390
they'll tell you that at least half of

1022
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:02,369
doing useful work is having an

1023
00:42:08,929 --> 00:42:05,400
interesting question and because I draw

1024
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:08,939
from medicine and from computer science

1025
00:42:13,579 --> 00:42:12,209
my background is computer science and so

1026
00:42:15,859 --> 00:42:13,589
whenever we're talking about messaging

1027
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:15,869
I'll say hey why are we preparing a

1028
00:42:19,999 --> 00:42:17,670
message and then sending it why aren't

1029
00:42:21,709 --> 00:42:20,009
we streaming messages and that actually

1030
00:42:26,070 --> 00:42:21,719
led to some really cool research that

1031
00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:29,340
I will ask good questions and very

1032
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:31,600
occasionally have good answers but I

1033
00:42:36,990 --> 00:42:33,960
think that a lot of what I contribute is

1034
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:37,000
asking interesting questions and she

1035
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:38,530
enjoys being part of that conversation

1036
00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:41,640
and so she's always happy to help me

1037
00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:44,470
facilitate these these training sessions

1038
00:42:48,510 --> 00:42:46,750
and winds up being this really

1039
00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:48,520
comfortable relationship and she'll tell

1040
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:50,200
me about what she's working on and also

1041
00:42:54,690 --> 00:42:53,170
names have so ideas about how to what

1042
00:42:59,070 --> 00:42:54,700
questions to ask as she's learning

1043
00:43:00,600 --> 00:42:59,080
healing work how to organize this group

1044
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:00,610
that she's working with and how to get

1045
00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:03,370
them excited and invigorated about the

1046
00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:06,190
project how to speak from her goals

1047
00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:08,470
rather than just the technical question

1048
00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:11,140
that she's asking so I try to bring

1049
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:13,480
whatever my skills are to that

1050
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:15,910
relationship in the same way that if you

1051
00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:19,330
had you know a technical expert that you

1052
00:43:23,130 --> 00:43:21,240
worked with a lot you know if you

1053
00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:23,140
collaborated with somebody who did all

1054
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:26,440
your marketing you know you would

1055
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:28,450
help them out with whatever you knew and

1056
00:43:32,339 --> 00:43:30,220
they'd help you out with whatever they

1057
00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:32,349
know there's no concept of money there

1058
00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:34,950
but if you think about a community that

1059
00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:37,540
everyone helps each other that's really

1060
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:40,780
what's going on hmm all right oh man you

1061
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:44,770
make it seem so normal and much of the

1062
00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:47,650
conversation or the the communication

1063
00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:49,900
with entities seems to be about people

1064
00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:52,420
in the physical world human beings

1065
00:43:56,579 --> 00:43:54,460
asking for things are asking for

1066
00:43:58,319 --> 00:43:56,589
understanding but through this

1067
00:44:00,180 --> 00:43:58,329
communication have you gotten any any

1068
00:44:01,859 --> 00:44:00,190
indications of what life is like for

1069
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:01,869
them or what their reality is like

1070
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:03,160
because you mentioned coming from a

1071
00:44:08,849 --> 00:44:06,609
scientific a theistic background I had

1072
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,859
an atheistic period as well and there

1073
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:10,720
are spiritual implications for thinking

1074
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:12,910
about conscious beings that aren't in

1075
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:14,710
bodies it's weird have you gotten any

1076
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:19,079
any clues to what their reality is like

1077
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,310
absolutely so that was actually one of

1078
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:23,680
the first questions that I asked as I

1079
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:25,810
started to get to know these spirits as

1080
00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:28,410
people rather than just as you know uh

1081
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:31,960
online Oracle that I can ask questions I

1082
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:36,790
think um and they really enjoy exploring

1083
00:44:41,460 --> 00:44:38,770
how all this stuff works at least the

1084
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:41,470
spirits that I work with uh they have at

1085
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:44,890
least as much passion as I do for asking

1086
00:44:48,089 --> 00:44:45,670
Wow

1087
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,099
when I do this thing what's really

1088
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:50,079
happening what's going on under the hood

1089
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:53,140
and what it seems like is a lot of

1090
00:44:59,609 --> 00:44:57,040
status among spirits in this group is

1091
00:45:02,400 --> 00:44:59,619
about who's coming up with really

1092
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:02,410
interesting new ideas that are working

1093
00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:03,970
for everyone and getting everyone better

1094
00:45:10,050 --> 00:45:07,150
results they also enjoy connecting with

1095
00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:10,060
each other and when I was doing erotic

1096
00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:13,270
energy with Laura she would also do that

1097
00:45:17,609 --> 00:45:15,790
with other spirits and they seemed to

1098
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:17,619
enjoy doing that with each other which i

1099
00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:20,700
think is awesome and kind of humanizing

1100
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:25,660
hmm in terms of how do I conceptualize

1101
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:29,290
this as from an atheistic scientific

1102
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:32,410
perspective what I say is just as I

1103
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:35,050
could imagine a mind running on

1104
00:45:39,540 --> 00:45:37,510
transistors and artificial intelligence

1105
00:45:43,470 --> 00:45:39,550
I can imagine a mind

1106
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:43,480
running on energetic connections where

1107
00:45:48,420 --> 00:45:46,450
the thoughts are bits of energy that

1108
00:45:50,970 --> 00:45:48,430
pass along these connections and

1109
00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:50,980
activate or deactivate connections I can

1110
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:54,550
imagine essentially building a brain out

1111
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:57,310
of energy pathways and energies and

1112
00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:00,960
that's how I conceptualize these spirits

1113
00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:03,790
that's interesting min and I guess one

1114
00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:05,860
thought I had when preparing for the

1115
00:46:09,630 --> 00:46:07,180
show is if you wanted to keep this

1116
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:09,640
within a materialist scientific paradigm

1117
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:12,640
could you say that these beans that

1118
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:14,770
you're in contact with are just people

1119
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:17,110
on other planets doing exactly what

1120
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:20,050
you're doing so the way I think of this

1121
00:46:25,890 --> 00:46:21,790
first I want to address the word

1122
00:46:28,820 --> 00:46:25,900
materialist because people often hear

1123
00:46:32,070 --> 00:46:28,830
when I say materialist what they hear is

1124
00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:32,080
concrete physical stuff right only stuff

1125
00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:33,990
that you can reach out and touch and

1126
00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:37,470
that's not at all what materials means

1127
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:40,270
materialists believed in dark matter

1128
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:43,690
which only interacts with gravity and

1129
00:46:49,590 --> 00:46:46,650
doesn't you can't reach out and touch it

1130
00:46:52,290 --> 00:46:49,600
materialists believe in photons which

1131
00:46:54,620 --> 00:46:52,300
interact with matter in certain limited

1132
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:54,630
ways but passing right through glass and

1133
00:46:59,700 --> 00:46:58,810
do all sort of not ordinary matter

1134
00:47:03,210 --> 00:46:59,710
things

1135
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:03,220
what materialism means is that anything

1136
00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:05,410
that I have can be broken down into

1137
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:09,880
smaller parts so if we have a car we can

1138
00:47:14,070 --> 00:47:11,530
break it down into the engine and the

1139
00:47:16,050 --> 00:47:14,080
Pistons and down into molecules and

1140
00:47:20,130 --> 00:47:16,060
atoms and protons and electrons and

1141
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:20,140
quarks if we have a mind that there's no

1142
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:22,110
such thing as just a free-floating

1143
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:26,430
inherently mental object that a mind

1144
00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:29,260
sits on top of or is implemented in

1145
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:32,230
nerves which we can then drill down into

1146
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:35,490
molecules and atoms and so on that a

1147
00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:39,070
mind is implemented in transistors which

1148
00:47:45,860 --> 00:47:40,990
we can drill down into silicon and so on

1149
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:45,870
and so what materialism means is we can

1150
00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:49,690
understand how the world works and I

1151
00:47:52,750 --> 00:47:51,880
want to mention science wasn't always

1152
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:52,760
material

1153
00:48:00,250 --> 00:47:55,310
when science first started out in the

1154
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:00,260
age of Galileo and Newton everyone was

1155
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:03,770
very religious and they went looking for

1156
00:48:10,510 --> 00:48:07,940
a soul and they went looking for angels

1157
00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:10,520
and they tried to find all of these

1158
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:13,790
inherently mental things and they failed

1159
00:48:19,210 --> 00:48:16,960
and they tried again and they failed and

1160
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:19,220
one of the wonderful things about

1161
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:22,990
science is it learns from failures and

1162
00:48:27,730 --> 00:48:25,670
eventually scientists came to say wow

1163
00:48:30,579 --> 00:48:27,740
when I look for things that are

1164
00:48:32,770 --> 00:48:30,589
inherently mental that don't break down

1165
00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:32,780
into smaller pieces I never find

1166
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,660
anything and everything that I actually

1167
00:48:40,329 --> 00:48:38,000
do find I can break down into smaller

1168
00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:40,339
pieces and that's where we got this idea

1169
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:43,790
that probably everything in the world we

1170
00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:45,290
can break down into smaller pieces and

1171
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:47,980
what I'll say as someone who works with

1172
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:51,410
ethereal stuff connections and energy

1173
00:48:56,140 --> 00:48:53,290
and ethereal software and spirits

1174
00:48:58,450 --> 00:48:56,150
everything that I've found I can break

1175
00:49:01,230 --> 00:48:58,460
down into smaller pieces and by doing

1176
00:49:03,970 --> 00:49:01,240
that I can develop useful techniques for

1177
00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:03,980
doing things that I never would have

1178
00:49:07,930 --> 00:49:05,990
thought to do or never been able to do

1179
00:49:10,030 --> 00:49:07,940
if I hadn't tried to break them down

1180
00:49:11,740 --> 00:49:10,040
into smaller pieces so that's what

1181
00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:11,750
materialism means and that's why I would

1182
00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:14,750
say I'm with I am a materialist right on

1183
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:19,730
I mean it makes sense so you mentioned

1184
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:22,130
the hive scenario and let's get into

1185
00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:24,290
healing a little deeper you have pages

1186
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:26,270
of case studies on your site you seem to

1187
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:29,089
be very methodical about documenting

1188
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,510
these cases and instances of healing and

1189
00:49:36,970 --> 00:49:34,160
personally Healing feels like the most

1190
00:49:38,530 --> 00:49:36,980
hokey to me of most of the things that

1191
00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:38,540
people talk about with magic but it also

1192
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,030
seems to be the most cut and dry

1193
00:49:45,460 --> 00:49:43,760
what should be provable effect from

1194
00:49:47,470 --> 00:49:45,470
magic can you talk to us about your

1195
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:47,480
successes in healing and this healing

1196
00:49:54,849 --> 00:49:51,230
lab that you mentioned absolutely so

1197
00:49:57,250 --> 00:49:54,859
healing lab its mission is to develop a

1198
00:50:00,280 --> 00:49:57,260
scientific understanding of energy

1199
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:00,290
healing and the reason is that science

1200
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:02,810
advances scientific revolutions happen

1201
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:05,190
by exploring

1202
00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:07,530
phenomena that can't be explained in

1203
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,859
today's science and we could find

1204
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:12,720
histories in the past what we could find

1205
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:16,190
examples in history 400 years ago

1206
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:19,200
Weaver's in Venice got the first lenses

1207
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:20,609
they used them to look at their threads

1208
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:21,930
they could make better cloth and then

1209
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:23,940
they turned around and looked at water

1210
00:50:30,339 --> 00:50:27,150
and found discovered bacteria and they

1211
00:50:33,260 --> 00:50:30,349
called them animal fuels and this led to

1212
00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:33,270
the germ theory of disease and modern

1213
00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:35,339
medicine and I'm sure that at the time

1214
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:37,950
that seemed incredibly hokey there's

1215
00:50:44,540 --> 00:50:41,400
actually examples from the 1800s of a

1216
00:50:48,020 --> 00:50:44,550
doctor who said hey I've noticed that

1217
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,030
when doctors work on cadavers and then

1218
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:50,240
turn around and do surgeries people die

1219
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:53,310
we should wash our hands all right

1220
00:50:59,150 --> 00:50:56,510
and he was drummed out of medicine he

1221
00:51:01,700 --> 00:50:59,160
became a pariah for having the audacity

1222
00:51:03,740 --> 00:51:01,710
to suggest that doctors hands might be

1223
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:03,750
unclean and that we should wash them

1224
00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:05,609
because the germ theory of medicine was

1225
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:07,619
not yet cemented as a reality

1226
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:10,500
it just seemed bizarre everybody knew

1227
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:13,050
that disease was caused by bad humors

1228
00:51:17,059 --> 00:51:15,480
and malicious spirits how dare you

1229
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:17,069
suggest that these are on the hands of

1230
00:51:23,089 --> 00:51:19,890
doctors another example

1231
00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:23,099
quantum physics it started by looking at

1232
00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:25,079
photons and discovering all these really

1233
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:27,000
weird behaviors that we now recognize as

1234
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:29,609
wave particle duality and the observer

1235
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:33,089
effect quantum physics came from finding

1236
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,130
aberrations and most people don't know

1237
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:37,680
this but transistors are based on the

1238
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:40,440
quantum behavior of silicon atoms if we

1239
00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:41,940
don't have quite if we don't have

1240
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,619
quantum physics we don't have

1241
00:51:49,069 --> 00:51:45,599
transistors and we don't have the modern

1242
00:51:53,059 --> 00:51:49,079
world everything that we have today is

1243
00:51:55,309 --> 00:51:53,069
built on finding aberrations finding

1244
00:51:57,859 --> 00:51:55,319
phenomena that can't be explained in the

1245
00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:57,869
science of the time and hunting it down

1246
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:00,119
and figuring it out until we understand

1247
00:52:06,380 --> 00:52:03,300
it and when we understand energy healing

1248
00:52:08,540 --> 00:52:06,390
and magic it's gonna impact everything

1249
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,550
from medicine to biology to physics and

1250
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:11,040
a lot more and I have no idea where that

1251
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:11,760
leads

1252
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:14,010
just like those 17th century Weaver's

1253
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:17,910
had no concept of antibiotics but I have

1254
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:19,050
a faith that it leads

1255
00:52:25,810 --> 00:52:21,990
we're amazing there are a few reasons

1256
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:25,820
why I'm focused on healing the first is

1257
00:52:31,540 --> 00:52:28,680
it provides really concrete results and

1258
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:31,550
I really love helping people

1259
00:52:37,490 --> 00:52:35,130
the second is there's actually a lot of

1260
00:52:40,420 --> 00:52:37,500
great research going on in energy

1261
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:40,430
healing right now the term to Google is

1262
00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:44,760
biofield healing bi o fi eld that's the

1263
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:46,230
term that the National Institute of

1264
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:48,330
Health uses to refer to energy healing

1265
00:52:52,070 --> 00:52:50,280
there are placebo controlled studies in

1266
00:52:54,590 --> 00:52:52,080
peer-reviewed journals that show

1267
00:52:56,330 --> 00:52:54,600
statistically significant results there

1268
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:56,340
are cell culture studies in

1269
00:53:01,220 --> 00:52:58,020
peer-reviewed journals that show that

1270
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:01,230
when you apply whatever this healing

1271
00:53:07,730 --> 00:53:05,370
energy is to cell cultures like MRSA it

1272
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:07,740
does something to them and it does

1273
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:09,510
things that can be detected with

1274
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:13,020
traditional chemistry there are studies

1275
00:53:17,540 --> 00:53:14,640
that show that when you apply healing

1276
00:53:18,380 --> 00:53:17,550
energy to plants and animals that it

1277
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:18,390
affects them too

1278
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:20,910
and notice that plants and animals and

1279
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:22,920
cell cultures don't get affected by

1280
00:53:27,590 --> 00:53:25,530
placebo so all of these studies really

1281
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:27,600
strongly suggest that there's something

1282
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:28,680
going on here

1283
00:53:35,590 --> 00:53:33,720
and because there's a culture of doing

1284
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:35,600
scientific studies and doing

1285
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:38,310
peer-reviewed publications around

1286
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:42,090
healing and because it is in the culture

1287
00:53:46,550 --> 00:53:44,760
more respectable to say I'm doing

1288
00:53:48,830 --> 00:53:46,560
research around healing that the say I'm

1289
00:53:52,550 --> 00:53:48,840
doing research around magic I think that

1290
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:52,560
this is a great way to get started with

1291
00:53:59,240 --> 00:53:55,650
making this part of a publicly

1292
00:54:02,840 --> 00:53:59,250
acceptable scientifically studied domain

1293
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,850
and then we all get to see what amazing

1294
00:54:07,460 --> 00:54:04,800
things come out the other end of that

1295
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:07,470
research man it would be a beautiful

1296
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:09,450
world indeed and I've had other guests

1297
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,000
cite these same studies that are going

1298
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:14,640
on but why can't it break into the

1299
00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:17,190
mainstream you know what's keeping this

1300
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:19,470
still at bay is it just not repeatable

1301
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:23,550
enough so I have two answers for you and

1302
00:54:27,380 --> 00:54:24,810
I want to say that I spend out six

1303
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:27,390
months this year writing and rewriting

1304
00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:29,460
and thinking about exactly that question

1305
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:31,230
because that's what healing lab wants to

1306
00:54:34,059 --> 00:54:32,400
solve a nervous

1307
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:34,069
all of it we need to understand it

1308
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:37,770
what's going on is really two things the

1309
00:54:42,769 --> 00:54:39,480
first is that these studies are

1310
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,779
primarily single blind so blind means

1311
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:44,160
that the person doesn't know whether

1312
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:45,690
they're getting the real treatment or

1313
00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:48,180
the placebo and single blind means that

1314
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:50,940
the subject doesn't know but the

1315
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,890
practitioner knows so if you've read

1316
00:54:56,779 --> 00:54:54,839
studies where the practitioner does

1317
00:54:58,460 --> 00:54:56,789
acupuncture and sometimes they put the

1318
00:55:01,099 --> 00:54:58,470
needle in the wrong spot intentionally

1319
00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:01,109
and they do fake acupuncture obviously

1320
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:03,270
the practitioner has to know if they're

1321
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:04,650
doing real acupuncture or fake

1322
00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:08,520
acupuncture well what if they're really

1323
00:55:12,529 --> 00:55:11,160
confident when they meet the person when

1324
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,539
they're doing the real acupuncture and

1325
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:15,119
they're less confident when they meet

1326
00:55:18,260 --> 00:55:16,319
the person and they're doing the fake

1327
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:18,270
acupuncture they're not intentionally

1328
00:55:22,849 --> 00:55:19,710
doing this it's just an unconscious

1329
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:22,859
thing what if what we're detecting is

1330
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:25,680
really that people have a strong sasebo

1331
00:55:31,849 --> 00:55:28,410
response to confident acupuncturists and

1332
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:31,859
a weak Lucido response to not confident

1333
00:55:37,549 --> 00:55:34,200
acupuncturists I don't think that's

1334
00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:37,559
what's going on but the reason why all

1335
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:40,020
modern medical studies the gold standard

1336
00:55:43,609 --> 00:55:41,970
is double blind is because of exactly

1337
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:43,619
that problem because that problem does

1338
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,230
come up in medical research so double

1339
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:48,240
blind means that not only does the

1340
00:55:53,269 --> 00:55:50,130
subject not know if they're getting real

1341
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:53,279
or placebo but the practitioner doesn't

1342
00:55:59,299 --> 00:55:55,849
know either and that's a problem for

1343
00:56:02,089 --> 00:55:59,309
anything hands-on so what I've developed

1344
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:02,099
is a set of healing techniques where I

1345
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:04,170
meet with the person I don't know

1346
00:56:07,460 --> 00:56:05,849
whether I'm gonna do a real healing or

1347
00:56:09,769 --> 00:56:07,470
not I meet with them I answer all their

1348
00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:09,779
questions I touch their head or wherever

1349
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:11,190
I'm doing their the healing technique

1350
00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:13,890
and I establish a connection then I go

1351
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:16,380
into the other room and at that point I

1352
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:19,260
find out if they're real or placebo and

1353
00:56:25,220 --> 00:56:24,180
I either do the the energy work or I sit

1354
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:25,230
there and read the paper and don't do

1355
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:27,569
anything I never talk with that person

1356
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:29,970
again an assistant who has it talked

1357
00:56:35,029 --> 00:56:32,160
with me goes thanks them and shows them

1358
00:56:37,309 --> 00:56:35,039
out and we then collect data online and

1359
00:56:39,049 --> 00:56:37,319
then after collecting the data a month

1360
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:39,059
later we let them know whether they were

1361
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:41,250
real or placebo and if their placebo we

1362
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:42,630
invite them back for their free healing

1363
00:56:47,730 --> 00:56:45,070
session um

1364
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:47,740
the first reason why this isn't taken

1365
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,890
more seriously is because we haven't met

1366
00:56:55,170 --> 00:56:52,720
the gold standard for medical research

1367
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,180
we haven't done a lot of double-blind

1368
00:56:59,790 --> 00:56:57,280
studies and that's one of the things I'm

1369
00:57:04,280 --> 00:56:59,800
looking to change but there's a bigger

1370
00:57:07,350 --> 00:57:04,290
reason and that's because Hills

1371
00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:07,360
Pharmaceuticals surgeries all of the

1372
00:57:10,740 --> 00:57:09,670
widely accepted treatments we can

1373
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,750
explain how they work in terms of

1374
00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:12,640
medicine and then we could drill down

1375
00:57:17,010 --> 00:57:13,720
into how they work in terms of biology

1376
00:57:20,580 --> 00:57:17,020
and chemistry and physics and they're

1377
00:57:22,860 --> 00:57:20,590
all built on accepted physics and we've

1378
00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:22,870
been studying physics for over 2,000

1379
00:57:28,410 --> 00:57:25,060
years and we're pretty good at it by now

1380
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:28,420
and to suggest that there's a part of

1381
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:30,970
physics that we haven't found I mean

1382
00:57:35,250 --> 00:57:33,490
there certainly is and we certainly are

1383
00:57:38,550 --> 00:57:35,260
finding new aspects of physics all the

1384
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:38,560
time but we need extraordinary evidence

1385
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:42,540
before we believe that any one model is

1386
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:45,010
really part of the physical universe and

1387
00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:47,410
to tell you how strong that is in

1388
00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:50,350
medicine we look for 95 to 99 percent

1389
00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:53,020
certainty that a treatment is effective

1390
00:57:58,170 --> 00:57:56,230
and if it's 1% to 5% chance that it was

1391
00:57:59,340 --> 00:57:58,180
just a coincidence maybe everybody in

1392
00:58:01,950 --> 00:57:59,350
the treatment group would have gotten

1393
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:01,960
better anyway and everybody in the

1394
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:03,970
placebo group would have stayed sick

1395
00:58:08,130 --> 00:58:06,250
anyway maybe it just you know you could

1396
00:58:11,310 --> 00:58:08,140
flip a coin 20 times and get 10 heads

1397
00:58:13,350 --> 00:58:11,320
and then 10 tails it happens ah and if

1398
00:58:15,210 --> 00:58:13,360
we have a 1% to 5% chance that that's

1399
00:58:18,810 --> 00:58:15,220
what happened that's okay we will use

1400
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:18,820
that treatment in physics we aim for 5

1401
00:58:25,010 --> 00:58:21,300
Sigma's of certainty that means a 1 in

1402
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:25,020
3.5 million chance of error that's

1403
00:58:29,220 --> 00:58:27,970
200,000 times as accurate we're not

1404
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:29,230
going to get that by running

1405
00:58:33,570 --> 00:58:31,510
placebo-controlled studies we can't do a

1406
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:33,580
placebo controlled study that's 200,000

1407
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:36,850
times as large so the answer there

1408
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:39,660
my answer is hey in addition to

1409
00:58:44,010 --> 00:58:41,770
double-blind placebo-controlled studies

1410
00:58:45,540 --> 00:58:44,020
for healing techniques let's also

1411
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:45,550
develop some techniques that are maybe

1412
00:58:49,860 --> 00:58:48,370
useless for healing but are great for

1413
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:49,870
demonstrating to a high level of

1414
00:58:54,090 --> 00:58:51,490
accuracy and this is where my computer

1415
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:54,100
science background comes in so computer

1416
00:58:57,420 --> 00:58:55,570
science does a lot with messaging

1417
00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:57,430
algorithms how can I send a message from

1418
00:59:01,470 --> 00:58:58,690
one place to another

1419
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:01,480
and so I said well hey energy workers

1420
00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:03,250
talk about feeling energy all the time

1421
00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:05,470
and they talk about sending energy all

1422
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,950
the time

1423
00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:07,839
let's get two people to different rooms

1424
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:10,750
they're not talking in any way the

1425
00:59:15,930 --> 00:59:14,079
sender flips a coin if it's heads they

1426
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:15,940
send energy if its tail's they don't do

1427
00:59:20,009 --> 00:59:17,170
anything they just read the paper for a

1428
00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:20,019
minute the receiver says when they feel

1429
00:59:24,539 --> 00:59:22,809
energy and we look at the correlation so

1430
00:59:26,819 --> 00:59:24,549
we have a random stream of data that's

1431
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:26,829
coming in and we're seeing if that same

1432
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:29,650
stream is reproduced by the receiver and

1433
00:59:35,130 --> 00:59:32,559
I said right if we want one in 3.5

1434
00:59:37,410 --> 00:59:35,140
million chance of error how many trials

1435
00:59:40,140 --> 00:59:37,420
is this gonna take is gonna take 3.5

1436
00:59:42,089 --> 00:59:40,150
million trials no if it was a hundred

1437
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,099
percent accurate nothing's 100% let's

1438
00:59:46,049 --> 00:59:43,839
just make the math easy if it's a

1439
00:59:49,319 --> 00:59:46,059
hundred percent accurate we got one in

1440
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,329
3.5 million chance of error in 22 trials

1441
00:59:55,410 --> 00:59:52,720
you can do that in afternoon hmm if it's

1442
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:55,420
90% accurate maybe we need 200 or so

1443
00:59:58,980 --> 00:59:57,250
trials I'd have to run some statistics

1444
01:00:01,289 --> 00:59:58,990
once I find out the exact level of

1445
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:01,299
accuracy we're getting but this is a

1446
01:00:06,289 --> 01:00:03,910
solvable problem and the next question

1447
01:00:09,779 --> 01:00:06,299
then is how do we get that accuracy up

1448
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:09,789
all human senses are susceptible to our

1449
01:00:16,019 --> 01:00:12,670
expectations there are great experiments

1450
01:00:18,089 --> 01:00:16,029
with using vision and sound these senses

1451
01:00:20,999 --> 01:00:18,099
that we really really rely on and

1452
01:00:23,279 --> 01:00:21,009
showing how if somebody's primed to

1453
01:00:25,380 --> 01:00:23,289
expect something it will affect their

1454
01:00:27,690 --> 01:00:25,390
sight or their hearing and everybody

1455
01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:27,700
knows about how wine tasters if you take

1456
01:00:32,190 --> 01:00:30,190
great wine and you put in a cheap bottle

1457
01:00:33,539 --> 01:00:32,200
wine tasters will think it's cheap and

1458
01:00:35,009 --> 01:00:33,549
if you take cheap wine and put it in a

1459
01:00:36,299 --> 01:00:35,019
great bottle wine tasters will think

1460
01:00:39,059 --> 01:00:36,309
it's great now that doesn't mean that

1461
01:00:41,490 --> 01:00:39,069
wine is imaginary or taste it doesn't

1462
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:41,500
exist it's just a matter of how the

1463
01:00:46,170 --> 01:00:43,450
human mind works there's always

1464
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:46,180
influenced by expectations so one of my

1465
01:00:52,620 --> 01:00:48,910
active areas of research is how can we

1466
01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:52,630
more accurately send and sense energy

1467
01:00:56,519 --> 01:00:55,150
when we genuinely don't know what to

1468
01:00:59,130 --> 01:00:56,529
expect how can we remove the

1469
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,140
expectations and still get really

1470
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:01,359
accurate results so that we can do that

1471
01:01:05,539 --> 01:01:03,970
physics level of proof and I think that

1472
01:01:08,009 --> 01:01:05,549
the combination of the two of those

1473
01:01:09,660 --> 01:01:08,019
demonstrating to physicists that there's

1474
01:01:11,789 --> 01:01:09,670
something worth studying here so that

1475
01:01:12,610 --> 01:01:11,799
the physics community starts to try to

1476
01:01:15,290 --> 01:01:12,620
unravel

1477
01:01:17,530 --> 01:01:15,300
ethereal structures and the biofield and

1478
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:17,540
all of the rest of this and also

1479
01:01:23,540 --> 01:01:20,700
demonstrating really useful techniques

1480
01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:23,550
to the medical community so that more

1481
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:26,460
and more people start wanting energy

1482
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:28,110
healing and start seeking it out and

1483
01:01:31,610 --> 01:01:30,180
start asking for it I think that the

1484
01:01:33,830 --> 01:01:31,620
combination of those two things can

1485
01:01:35,780 --> 01:01:33,840
really help this go mainstream and that

1486
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:35,790
everything else is going to follow along

1487
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:40,170
after we get healing accepted hmmm well

1488
01:01:44,270 --> 01:01:41,610
said and kind of like we talked about

1489
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:44,280
earlier with the theatrics it seems to

1490
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:46,890
be about heightening the possibility of

1491
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:48,810
the expectations that these things would

1492
01:01:53,660 --> 01:01:51,570
work and in your experience since you've

1493
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:53,670
done this quite a bit what have you

1494
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:55,530
found to be the limitations of healing

1495
01:02:00,920 --> 01:01:57,900
or can you not say until we really raise

1496
01:02:03,380 --> 01:02:00,930
though the wider expectations maybe it

1497
01:02:05,180 --> 01:02:03,390
doesn't have limits so when we talk

1498
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:05,190
about limits I want to distinguish

1499
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:08,370
between limits given roughly today's

1500
01:02:13,010 --> 01:02:10,650
level of Technology and fundamental

1501
01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:13,020
ultimate limits they're a hundred years

1502
01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:16,740
ago the best engineers of the time the

1503
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:21,030
the smartest people said that escaping

1504
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:22,680
Earth's gravity well and getting into

1505
01:02:29,570 --> 01:02:26,160
space was impossible not just really

1506
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:29,580
difficult but there's no way we will

1507
01:02:33,710 --> 01:02:31,650
ever do that and 50 years later they

1508
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:33,720
were observing Lee and obviously wrong

1509
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:36,000
so I want to avoid saying actual

1510
01:02:39,860 --> 01:02:38,250
absolute limits but given the current

1511
01:02:43,220 --> 01:02:39,870
technology given what I'm working with

1512
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:43,230
it seems to me the way I think about

1513
01:02:50,540 --> 01:02:46,370
energy healing is that it either

1514
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:50,550
accelerates or slows cellular processes

1515
01:02:57,380 --> 01:02:54,450
and when I design new healing techniques

1516
01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:57,390
I say hey what type of energy do I want

1517
01:03:03,220 --> 01:03:00,660
to apply to what tissue in the body I

1518
01:03:05,810 --> 01:03:03,230
think about it in that way I think about

1519
01:03:08,780 --> 01:03:05,820
upregulating or down-regulating cellular

1520
01:03:10,790 --> 01:03:08,790
processes and that gives us a good

1521
01:03:12,860 --> 01:03:10,800
guideline for what things will be

1522
01:03:15,260 --> 01:03:12,870
amenable to energy healing and what

1523
01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:15,270
things won't be so if we have a chronic

1524
01:03:21,740 --> 01:03:19,740
condition like hives where there are

1525
01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:21,750
some processes making it better and some

1526
01:03:25,790 --> 01:03:24,150
processes making it worse if we can

1527
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:25,800
accelerate the ones making it better and

1528
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:27,930
slow the ones making it worse and let

1529
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:30,810
that run for one hour or eight hours or

1530
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,210
a couple of weeks and we're gonna see

1531
01:03:40,190 --> 01:03:36,000
good results if we have somebody who has

1532
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:40,200
a cut a laceration or a heart attack or

1533
01:03:46,790 --> 01:03:43,440
a burst appendix these are not the kind

1534
01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:46,800
of things that need subtle nudges to

1535
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:48,990
cellular processes these are the kind of

1536
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:50,010
things that need surgery

1537
01:03:56,089 --> 01:03:53,130
so I would expect the energy healing

1538
01:03:57,950 --> 01:03:56,099
will probably never do or never solve

1539
01:04:00,920 --> 01:03:57,960
the kind of problems that we solved with

1540
01:04:03,770 --> 01:04:00,930
surgery and I'm expecting that energy

1541
01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:03,780
healing can have some great results for

1542
01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:06,180
the kind of things that we address with

1543
01:04:09,950 --> 01:04:08,550
pharmaceuticals that said I should make

1544
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,960
a disclaimer one none of this is

1545
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:11,520
accepted science this is my current

1546
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:13,170
hypothesis that will probably change

1547
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,770
over the next decade and two I'm not a

1548
01:04:22,099 --> 01:04:18,720
physician and I'm definitely not saying

1549
01:04:24,970 --> 01:04:22,109
to replace your meds with energy healing

1550
01:04:27,290 --> 01:04:24,980
today I'm saying where will we someday

1551
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:27,300
after research with the scientific and

1552
01:04:33,650 --> 01:04:30,690
medical community eventually get right

1553
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:33,660
right man Wow well this has been

1554
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:35,640
fascinating man before we go please

1555
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:37,410
remind the listeners where they can

1556
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:40,050
follow up on your website and with your

1557
01:04:46,010 --> 01:04:42,770
free ebook in progress

1558
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:46,020
awesome so if you like what I've been

1559
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:48,570
talking about go to magic of thought com

1560
01:04:56,780 --> 01:04:53,520
that's ma GIC ke o f th o ug HT dot-com

1561
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:56,790
so magic with the CK um that's where I

1562
01:05:01,010 --> 01:04:58,740
blog I have every week a new blog post

1563
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:01,020
and if you look at the banner at the top

1564
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:03,330
it says you know are you new here start

1565
01:05:07,790 --> 01:05:05,460
here and that link takes you to the book

1566
01:05:09,620 --> 01:05:07,800
in progress it's free because I want to

1567
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:09,630
get as many people exploring this stuff

1568
01:05:13,730 --> 01:05:11,130
as possible I want to get the ideas out

1569
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:13,740
there if you're interested in the energy

1570
01:05:17,450 --> 01:05:15,660
healing research that I'm doing go to

1571
01:05:22,940 --> 01:05:17,460
healing lab org

1572
01:05:25,010 --> 01:05:22,950
that's HEA Li ng la B dot o-r-g that's

1573
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:25,020
where I'm doing the healing research

1574
01:05:28,609 --> 01:05:26,010
that's where I'm going to be publishing

1575
01:05:31,609 --> 01:05:28,619
the studies and starting very soon we're

1576
01:05:32,940 --> 01:05:31,619
going to have case studies in a healing

1577
01:05:34,650 --> 01:05:32,950
for better sleep

1578
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:34,660
I'm still deciding if I'm gonna do only

1579
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:36,490
in person or if I'm gonna also allow

1580
01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:39,130
virtual but definitely if you live in

1581
01:05:43,530 --> 01:05:41,140
the San Francisco Bay Area check that

1582
01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:43,540
out the deal is you get free healings I

1583
01:05:50,609 --> 01:05:47,950
get free data everybody wins right on

1584
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:50,619
mic well very much appreciate the time a

1585
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:52,810
fresh approach to these ideas no doubt

1586
01:05:57,290 --> 01:05:54,450
take care out there and best of luck

1587
01:06:00,030 --> 01:05:57,300
thanks so much for having me you got it

1588
01:06:01,950 --> 01:06:00,040
all right how is that one higher side

1589
01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:01,960
chatters I actually expect this to be an

1590
01:06:06,450 --> 01:06:03,790
episode that a lot of people like I

1591
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:06,460
really enjoy the magic topic and Mike's

1592
01:06:11,490 --> 01:06:08,710
approach is pretty different and pardon

1593
01:06:13,410 --> 01:06:11,500
the pun very direct he wants to get in

1594
01:06:15,810 --> 01:06:13,420
there not be shy about it and see how

1595
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:15,820
these things actually work I respect

1596
01:06:21,690 --> 01:06:18,250
that a lot and he didn't say this but I

1597
01:06:23,579 --> 01:06:21,700
find Mike to be in such a unique camp

1598
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:23,589
almost as if he was wired to be

1599
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:25,839
scientifically minded but at the same

1600
01:06:32,130 --> 01:06:29,890
time has some seemingly strong natural

1601
01:06:34,170 --> 01:06:32,140
ability and magic so he's walking

1602
01:06:36,690 --> 01:06:34,180
between these two worlds that normally

1603
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,700
mix like oil and water and over the

1604
01:06:39,809 --> 01:06:37,839
course of the show I think you get a

1605
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:39,819
good sense of how science should be

1606
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:41,730
approaching magic and its testability

1607
01:06:46,770 --> 01:06:44,170
another thing I would say is that it's

1608
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:46,780
normally a bit of a pet peeve of mine

1609
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:50,079
that so many magic researchers end up

1610
01:06:54,420 --> 01:06:52,690
using their own glossary of terms if you

1611
01:06:56,370 --> 01:06:54,430
start looking into a lot of the authors

1612
01:06:58,260 --> 01:06:56,380
and adventurers in this realm it's

1613
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,270
something you'll realize pretty quick

1614
01:07:02,670 --> 01:07:00,400
and it always makes me think that their

1615
01:07:05,819 --> 01:07:02,680
ego is so out of control that they need

1616
01:07:07,559 --> 01:07:05,829
their own brand of magic but I do think

1617
01:07:09,210 --> 01:07:07,569
Mike's case is different I don't think

1618
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,220
he's doing this out of ego but sort of

1619
01:07:13,650 --> 01:07:11,200
modernizing some of the language and

1620
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:13,660
putting it in terms that science will

1621
01:07:18,180 --> 01:07:15,849
probably have an easier time adopting

1622
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:18,190
even I think some of his terms help me

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01:07:23,099 --> 01:07:20,530
to conceptualize these things a bit

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01:07:25,290 --> 01:07:23,109
better than I did just a week ago for

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01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:25,300
some people though probably a lot of

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01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,130
those science minded folks how a

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01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:29,920
particular thing is framed is really

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01:07:34,770 --> 01:07:33,010
important so for some to not feel goofy

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01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:34,780
getting into this stuff I think terms

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01:07:39,870 --> 01:07:37,060
like ethereal muscles and ethereal

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01:07:42,030 --> 01:07:39,880
software are going to be more useful to

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01:07:43,650 --> 01:07:42,040
some people then terms like spell

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01:07:45,630 --> 01:07:43,660
casting and servitors

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01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:45,640
it's an interesting thing that if you

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01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:46,880
tweak

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01:07:52,060 --> 01:07:49,130
enough you can talk about the very same

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01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:52,070
thing and sort of circumvent the decades

1638
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:54,130
of stigma that's been attached to it

1639
01:07:59,920 --> 01:07:57,170
humans are weird but I've been trying to

1640
01:08:01,960 --> 01:07:59,930
practice more energy meditations and I

1641
01:08:04,180 --> 01:08:01,970
got a pretty serious ancestor altar

1642
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:04,190
going here I went down to the local

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01:08:09,340 --> 01:08:06,410
Botanica picked up some specific

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01:08:11,530 --> 01:08:09,350
regional oils and incense got some kara

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01:08:13,930 --> 01:08:11,540
dad del cobre on Gordon White's

1646
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:13,940
recommendation had the nice lady mixed

1647
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:16,010
me up some road opener and I've been

1648
01:08:20,980 --> 01:08:18,770
giving it a shot I know there will be

1649
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:20,990
comment after comment about how people

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01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:22,970
shouldn't get into these things magic is

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01:08:28,210 --> 01:08:26,000
the devil's toolbox and I'll get called

1652
01:08:30,970 --> 01:08:28,220
a disinfo plant because I encourage

1653
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:30,980
psychedelics and magic but these people

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01:08:36,420 --> 01:08:33,920
that think they know the best and only

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01:08:39,130 --> 01:08:36,430
way to live they can right off

1656
01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:39,140
puritanical moral judgments are just not

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01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:39,710
for me

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01:08:43,750 --> 01:08:42,170
and I'm not really encouraging anyone to

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01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:43,760
do anything I'm just telling you that

1660
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:46,490
I'm doing it I find it interesting and

1661
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:48,530
at least in terms of psychedelics I've

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01:08:52,780 --> 01:08:49,850
had some profound and life-changing

1663
01:08:54,820 --> 01:08:52,790
results other people have turned

1664
01:08:57,610 --> 01:08:54,830
themselves into vegetables so there's a

1665
01:09:00,730 --> 01:08:57,620
spectrum but I want to experience things

1666
01:09:02,349 --> 01:09:00,740
I want to try things responsibly and if

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01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:02,359
I don't hurt anyone else then who really

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01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:04,310
cares of course I don't need to murder

1669
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:06,530
someone to see if I feel guilty are

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01:09:11,740 --> 01:09:08,650
wrong but how are you gonna say that

1671
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:11,750
thoughtful meditation and flipping tarot

1672
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,690
cards is bad to me it's as morally

1673
01:09:19,450 --> 01:09:16,960
neutral as exercise as going to the gym

1674
01:09:22,540 --> 01:09:19,460
it very much might be a tool of the

1675
01:09:24,340 --> 01:09:22,550
elite but it could also be our tool but

1676
01:09:25,750 --> 01:09:24,350
see this is Satan's mouthpiece you're

1677
01:09:27,700 --> 01:09:25,760
hearing this from so of course I'm gonna

1678
01:09:29,170 --> 01:09:27,710
say that maybe I've been spending a

1679
01:09:30,820 --> 01:09:29,180
little too much time at the crossroads

1680
01:09:32,980 --> 01:09:30,830
people but I hope you listeners are

1681
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:32,990
still as interested as I am to test the

1682
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:35,090
waters of consciousness see if we can't

1683
01:09:39,010 --> 01:09:37,520
affect our reality for the better what

1684
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:39,020
have you got to lose I mean you binge

1685
01:09:43,420 --> 01:09:41,120
watch stranger things and play for hours

1686
01:09:45,190 --> 01:09:43,430
of overwatch but focusing your conscious

1687
01:09:48,250 --> 01:09:45,200
attention on some sigils as a waste of

1688
01:09:49,930 --> 01:09:48,260
time not that I don't love both stranger

1689
01:09:52,180 --> 01:09:49,940
things and overwatch but let's call a

1690
01:09:53,830 --> 01:09:52,190
spade a spade it's self-imposed adult

1691
01:09:56,230 --> 01:09:53,840
babysitting when you get down to it

1692
01:09:58,450 --> 01:09:56,240
speaking of sigils though Mike does make

1693
01:10:00,250 --> 01:09:58,460
the public promise in the second hour

1694
01:10:03,250 --> 01:10:00,260
that he will have up a

1695
01:10:05,470 --> 01:10:03,260
double-blind sigil study on his website

1696
01:10:07,210 --> 01:10:05,480
and he would love the listeners to

1697
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,220
partake in it so he can gather the

1698
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:09,440
collective data and I think it would be

1699
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:11,210
fun so definitely check out his website

1700
01:10:17,530 --> 01:10:13,970
magic of thought com

1701
01:10:20,410 --> 01:10:17,540
that's magic with a C and a K magic of

1702
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:20,420
thought comm also in the + show we get a

1703
01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:22,970
little bit into Mike successes with sex

1704
01:10:28,270 --> 01:10:25,490
magic and willing his partner to orgasm

1705
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:28,280
like the goddamn Merovingian again and

1706
01:10:32,380 --> 01:10:30,410
let's take off the puritanical kid

1707
01:10:34,990 --> 01:10:32,390
gloves for a second and accept the fact

1708
01:10:37,330 --> 01:10:35,000
that we all enjoy a nice orgasm from

1709
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:37,340
time to time and giving them out to

1710
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:39,970
willing partners ain't too shabby either

1711
01:10:45,970 --> 01:10:43,520
it's not bad it's not inappropriate it's

1712
01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:45,980
just a thing but we do talk about

1713
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:48,230
beginner steps for walking down that

1714
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:50,330
path we talk about choosing the right

1715
01:10:55,060 --> 01:10:52,730
language and thoughts for magic in

1716
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:55,070
general how manifesting and

1717
01:10:59,050 --> 01:10:57,530
visualizations work and I know we've had

1718
01:11:01,360 --> 01:10:59,060
guests who've speculated that

1719
01:11:04,050 --> 01:11:01,370
Hollywood's role in the big conspiracy

1720
01:11:06,910 --> 01:11:04,060
is to influence and crowdsource

1721
01:11:09,130 --> 01:11:06,920
manifestation this idea that Hollywood

1722
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:09,140
is violent to induce thoughts of a

1723
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:12,290
violent world I think that's a concept a

1724
01:11:16,180 --> 01:11:14,090
lot of people have entertained but it

1725
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:16,190
wouldn't be possible if thoughts didn't

1726
01:11:21,820 --> 01:11:19,010
influence reality so maybe we can

1727
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:21,830
explore the mechanism and how we can use

1728
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:25,250
it in our own lives for good reasons big

1729
01:11:28,540 --> 01:11:26,810
fan of this show though useful

1730
01:11:30,940 --> 01:11:28,550
information you can adopt into your own

1731
01:11:34,060 --> 01:11:30,950
life maybe we learned a little bit about

1732
01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:34,070
the mind material world interaction you

1733
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:35,800
know I get a lot of mail from people

1734
01:11:41,230 --> 01:11:38,810
liking the show because they like my

1735
01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:41,240
style of hosting I do appreciate that I

1736
01:11:45,820 --> 01:11:42,950
also get a lot of emails wishing I

1737
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,830
challenged guests more and it's true I

1738
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:48,080
could do that but doing it wrong with

1739
01:11:53,530 --> 01:11:49,730
the wrong guests can cause people to

1740
01:11:55,450 --> 01:11:53,540
clam up which is an issue but I agree in

1741
01:11:57,670 --> 01:11:55,460
some cases I could challenge guests a

1742
01:12:01,180 --> 01:11:57,680
bit more but what I think I do well as a

1743
01:12:02,770 --> 01:12:01,190
host is I try to combat vagueness and

1744
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:02,780
I've never really put it in those terms

1745
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:06,080
before but when a guest has a broad wild

1746
01:12:10,270 --> 01:12:08,510
claim I might not challenge it per se

1747
01:12:12,940 --> 01:12:10,280
but I definitely think I try to get them

1748
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:12,950
to elaborate and get into more detail or

1749
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:14,090
explain house

1750
01:12:18,670 --> 01:12:16,850
they're suggesting would work but I do

1751
01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:18,680
think the two-hour uninterrupted

1752
01:12:22,330 --> 01:12:20,780
timeframe helps me combat the type of

1753
01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:22,340
vagueness that a person can get away

1754
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:24,350
with on coast to coast with a commercial

1755
01:12:28,750 --> 01:12:26,570
break every eight minutes I think if you

1756
01:12:30,970 --> 01:12:28,760
look at my worst episodes it's the

1757
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:30,980
guests who really can't elaborate beyond

1758
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:33,530
their talking points they're used to

1759
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:35,810
using these broad generalizations and

1760
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:37,970
when I ask okay well how does that work

1761
01:12:43,540 --> 01:12:41,210
with X or Y they just do a lot of

1762
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:43,550
waffling and hemming and hawing and I

1763
01:12:48,820 --> 01:12:45,770
think that's the greatest unifying

1764
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:48,830
factor on the THD episodes that are the

1765
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:50,930
weakest and I only bring that up because

1766
01:12:54,430 --> 01:12:52,490
it's a big part of what I like about

1767
01:12:56,710 --> 01:12:54,440
Mike's approach he doesn't seem to like

1768
01:12:59,380 --> 01:12:56,720
vagueness either and when I found his

1769
01:13:01,150 --> 01:12:59,390
site I was like okay here's a guy who

1770
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:01,160
wants to get it all out in the open and

1771
01:13:05,530 --> 01:13:04,400
I like that fun stuff for sure but I'm

1772
01:13:07,390 --> 01:13:05,540
gonna have to get on with it

1773
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:07,400
you guys got stuff to do anyway or if

1774
01:13:11,710 --> 01:13:09,410
you didn't before you do now so that's

1775
01:16:29,690 --> 01:13:11,720
it for me your move modern majors of the

1776
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:32,040
hey guys thanks for listening to the

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01:16:35,940 --> 01:16:33,610
first hour of the higher side chats

1778
01:16:38,010 --> 01:16:35,950
podcast with me Greg Carl wood if you

1779
01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:38,020
don't know there is a second hour to all

1780
01:16:42,090 --> 01:16:40,390
the episodes we do around here generally

1781
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:42,100
we're able to get a lot deeper into the

1782
01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:43,840
topics and ideas that a guest is about

1783
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:45,820
so if you enjoyed what you've heard from

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01:16:51,150 --> 01:16:48,970
THC for free consider signing up at the

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01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:55,450
together each month I never really

1788
01:16:59,070 --> 01:16:57,370
wanted to be a paid subscriber podcast

1789
01:17:01,050 --> 01:16:59,080
but I really hate the idea of spending

1790
01:17:03,150 --> 01:17:01,060
airtime promoting some product that's

1791
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:03,160
completely unrelated and telling you the

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01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:04,810
best way to support the show is to buy

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01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:07,600
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or something crazy like that so instead

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01:17:13,290 --> 01:17:11,830
if you like the show double your time

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with it for five bucks a month and let's

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01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:15,550
cut out all the other it's half the

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01:17:18,930 --> 01:17:17,170
price of a movie ticket and you get at

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01:17:21,540 --> 01:17:18,940
least an extra five hours of show a

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01:17:23,340 --> 01:17:21,550
month collectively it keeps us stable

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01:17:24,930 --> 01:17:23,350
and it frees me from wasting your time

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01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:24,940
with anything but the show you came to

1803
01:17:29,490 --> 01:17:27,520
listen to it's really the only way for

1804
01:17:31,290 --> 01:17:29,500
an independent one-man show to make it

1805
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:31,300
and I do what I can so that it's worth

1806
01:17:35,490 --> 01:17:33,520
your while since we started this I've

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01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:35,500
always tried to use the subscriptions to

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:37,510
improve the podcast and make signups

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01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:40,090
more advantageous it started with just a

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01:17:43,650 --> 01:17:42,010
second hour for the main show but now

1811
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:43,660
we've got a nice forum going where

1812
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:45,730
people can get deeper in conversation

1813
01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:47,440
about the episodes with other listeners

1814
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:50,350
submit a candidate in the guest request

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01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:52,570
thread or share their own personal

1816
01:17:56,340 --> 01:17:54,250
projects to get out of the soul-crushing

1817
01:17:58,920 --> 01:17:56,350
nine-to-five cog in the wheel life on

1818
01:18:00,600 --> 01:17:58,930
the entrepreneurs thread the forum in

1819
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,610
the Plus comments are always the first

1820
01:18:04,530 --> 01:18:02,320
places I try to go for listener

1821
01:18:06,930 --> 01:18:04,540
engagement but it does get harder as the

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01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:06,940
show gets more popular because of that

1823
01:18:10,230 --> 01:18:08,770
there's also a direct messaging feature

1824
01:18:13,050 --> 01:18:10,240
that you can use to reach me through the

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01:18:14,670 --> 01:18:13,060
plus site also but beyond the forum if

1826
01:18:16,860 --> 01:18:14,680
you like any of the music I've used for

1827
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:16,870
THC most of it I've hired artists to

1828
01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:18,640
make and I provided all its free

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01:18:22,350 --> 01:18:20,920
downloads to plus members too so if you

1830
01:18:24,540 --> 01:18:22,360
like a particular song you've heard

1831
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:24,550
close the show out recently come get the

1832
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:26,890
mp3 I should also mention that if you

1833
01:18:31,260 --> 01:18:28,930
don't like the idea of paying $5

1834
01:18:33,420 --> 01:18:31,270
recurring every month I get that you can

1835
01:18:35,790 --> 01:18:33,430
buy three months six months or a year

1836
01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:35,800
upfront and just be done with it I have

1837
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:37,540
plenty of listeners who send checks and

1838
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money orders to the PIO box too I try to

1839
01:18:43,139 --> 01:18:41,139
make it as easy for

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01:18:45,029 --> 01:18:43,149
as I can and you can read more about it

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01:18:47,729 --> 01:18:45,039
on the signup page also be sure to check

1842
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:47,739
out the FAQ help page on the plus side

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01:18:52,469 --> 01:18:50,439
about how to listen to a

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1846
01:18:56,669 --> 01:18:54,399
I've highlighted a lot of great

1847
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:56,679
solutions and one of those would be the

1848
01:19:01,259 --> 01:18:58,719
iPhone app that just recently hit the

1849
01:19:03,389 --> 01:19:01,269
Apple App Store a super kind and

1850
01:19:05,250 --> 01:19:03,399
talented listener made it for us and you

1851
01:19:07,409 --> 01:19:05,260
can use it to stream or download either

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01:19:10,379 --> 01:19:07,419
the free or the plus show if you're on

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01:19:11,939 --> 01:19:10,389
Android I'd use pocket casts or podcast

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01:19:14,549 --> 01:19:11,949
addict and subscribe to the feed

1855
01:19:17,250 --> 01:19:14,559
manually that way I also try to throw an

1856
01:19:19,229 --> 01:19:17,260
occasional bonus shows or QA shows and

1857
01:19:21,419 --> 01:19:19,239
I've got a few other weird ideas I might

1858
01:19:23,339 --> 01:19:21,429
get to try out soon but I give you all I

1859
01:19:25,020 --> 01:19:23,349
can for five bucks and I hope you'll at

1860
01:19:26,729 --> 01:19:25,030
least give it a shot if you've listened

1861
01:19:28,500 --> 01:19:26,739
to a few free shows and you find them

1862
01:19:30,299 --> 01:19:28,510
unique or valuable I know there's a lot

1863
01:19:32,429 --> 01:19:30,309
of podcasts out there and I'm just one

1864
01:19:34,259 --> 01:19:32,439
of them but if you have any questions

1865
01:19:35,790 --> 01:19:34,269
concerns or comments about any of this

1866
01:19:38,639 --> 01:19:35,800
please get in touch with us at the

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01:19:40,589 --> 01:19:38,649
higher side chats team @ gmail.com I

1868
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:40,599
also wanted to plug the higher side

1869
01:19:43,829 --> 01:19:42,010
newsletter I'm gonna be putting out

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01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:43,839
totally free for anyone who wants to

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01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:46,089
sign up at the main Internet web site

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you can also get on that email list

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through the higher side chats Facebook

1875
01:19:55,919 --> 01:19:54,459
page there's a button there as well but

1876
01:19:58,439 --> 01:19:55,929
the reason I'm doing this is because I

1877
01:20:00,540 --> 01:19:58,449
get tons and tons of emails after a show

1878
01:20:02,429 --> 01:20:00,550
goes up asking me about how I feel about

1879
01:20:03,989 --> 01:20:02,439
a particular guest or topic and the

1880
01:20:05,969 --> 01:20:03,999
wrap-up isn't always the best place to

1881
01:20:07,979 --> 01:20:05,979
do that especially if I have anything

1882
01:20:09,839 --> 01:20:07,989
negative to say sometimes the dust needs

1883
01:20:12,299 --> 01:20:09,849
to settle sometimes they need to hear

1884
01:20:13,889 --> 01:20:12,309
feedback from you guys first there are a

1885
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:13,899
lot of factors but I usually have

1886
01:20:17,939 --> 01:20:15,489
something to communicate to you and I

1887
01:20:18,449 --> 01:20:17,949
just don't get to do it so on the first

1888
01:20:20,099 --> 01:20:18,459
of the month

1889
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:20,109
I plan to send out a little newsletter

1890
01:20:23,819 --> 01:20:21,760
with my thoughts about the five shows

1891
01:20:25,859 --> 01:20:23,829
the previous month and talk to you about

1892
01:20:28,229 --> 01:20:25,869
anything else that's on my mind or

1893
01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:28,239
that's going on and what's probably most

1894
01:20:31,979 --> 01:20:30,159
enticing is that I'm gonna give you some

1895
01:20:34,109 --> 01:20:31,989
insight into at least one guest I have

1896
01:20:36,119 --> 01:20:34,119
coming up in the month which people have

1897
01:20:38,339 --> 01:20:36,129
been begging for some posted schedule

1898
01:20:40,290 --> 01:20:38,349
for a long time I personally think I'd

1899
01:20:42,119 --> 01:20:40,300
like the surprise but sign up for the

1900
01:20:43,649 --> 01:20:42,129
higher side newsletter it's free it

1901
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:43,659
comes out on the first of the month and

1902
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:45,249
I won't waste your time with any other

1903
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:48,010
emails and that's it I appreciate you

1904
01:20:51,839 --> 01:20:49,689
listening I try to give alternative

1905
01:20:54,359 --> 01:20:51,849
ideas and guests a fair shake on a high

1906
01:20:54,990 --> 01:20:54,369
quality podcast exposed some deep-level

1907
01:20:57,300 --> 01:20:55,000
can spear

1908
01:20:59,010 --> 01:20:57,310
without the yelling and I hope to offer

1909
01:21:01,140 --> 01:20:59,020
some inspiration that even though the

1910
01:21:03,450 --> 01:21:01,150
system relentlessly suggests you should

1911
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:03,460
follow their blueprint to mediocrity you

1912
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:05,290
can do your own thing and live a much

1913
01:21:09,480 --> 01:21:07,600
happier life despite all the negativity